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starsignal
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 Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:22 pm |  |
| wirsindallein wrote: |
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If you're actually saying what you just said--that pof James hasn't put leading the New Guard as his first priority on his PC--then that's a damn shame, because I think that is his first priority, IC and OOC. |
Aside from the basic courtesies that come with being a good player, there is absolutely nothing anyone needs to do in regards to people outside their own clan. If this leaves people sitting on their thumbs, that's for the clanleads of THAT clan (and maybe staff) to deal with. |
Yes, this is what I meant.
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grandpa
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:28 pm | |
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| So, it is the basis of a lot of roleplay; however, not always in a way that spices up specific scenes like scavenging trips, to bring this back to the original topic. |
Not sure why you brought it up, then, but okay!
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| My main point was to be the change you wish to see. I understand you feel frustrated and tired of trying this. That is unfortunate. If you are too tired to keep trying, perhaps a viable solution will come from this thread, if we as a collective player base can focus on a solution, and not on complaining. Complaining is usually a poor motivator for everyone involved. |
I think a general toning down of the insults/namecalling might do this thread well. But you're right, Rome. We need to get directly to the point of this thread:
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What do you want, guys? I'm grasping at straws here, and nothing I can come up with for big groups to do seems to be particularly enjoyable to anyone. I'm at a loss. I'm frustrated. I'm quite honestly past the point of bothering to go do anything but scav the factories, because why? Certainly not for any gain of 'stuff', and where entertainment factor is involved? I don't think anyone cares. |
And I guess I'll give my answer to that, which is: I'd like to see the game either be actively driven towards what it's supposed to be from the top-down, with admins giving -actual- feedback on how we're doing if they're concerned enough to post on the forums publicly about it...
...or I'd like to see the game change to how it's being played. Maybe a bit of both. Certainly Throttle's posts have dimmed my enthusiasm and expectations for the chances of the first one.
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starsignal
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:54 pm | |
| Bangbang wrote: |
| What do you want, guys? I'm grasping at straws here, and nothing I can come up with for big groups to do seems to be particularly enjoyable to anyone. I'm at a loss. I'm frustrated. I'm quite honestly past the point of bothering to go do anything but scav the factories, because why? Certainly not for any gain of 'stuff', and where entertainment factor is involved? I don't think anyone cares. |
Simply and honestly: I want us doing less stuff in big groups and more stuff as unique, independent clans.
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grandpa
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:08 pm | |
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Simply and honestly: I want us doing less stuff in big groups and more stuff as unique, independent clans. |
What activities? Be constructive, not vague. Give people an example RPT of what you want. Explain -why- you're looking for this. Do you not like playing with other clans? What is it about playing mostly within your own clan you enjoy? What do you need to achieve this goal?
Who's stopping you from doing this?
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HAL
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:40 pm | |
A little IC antagonism would do wonders for the game, in my eyes.
You are actors on a stage. The play is underway. Think not what is best for each individual Hamlet, but rather what is best for the great arc of the story.
But - as far as Staff stepping in, we made conscious decisions not to have NPC clan-leads to railroad stuff. How could we really do such a thing now? We like our clan-leads.
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starsignal
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:49 pm | |
| grandpa wrote: |
| What activities? Give people an example RPT of what you want. |
It almost doesn't matter, specifically -- everybody has their own personal interests -- for example, I enjoyed the theme of the RPT that happened last weekend. Alternately: throw a party; have a family dinner; call a meeting to set up projects; go find something on your turf that needs doing and do it with some (v)NPC interaction. Build a rich clan culture to supplement and influence the existing lore.
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| Explain -why- you're looking for this. Do you not like playing with other clans? What is it about playing mostly within your own clan you enjoy? What do you need to achieve this goal? |
I agree with the cadre of people who have pointed out the various reasons that large-group RP is difficult/not enjoyable, and that's the main reason. Additionally, I think putting some effort into three unique clans with different goals and flavors will really enrich the game and give its players a stronger sense of purpose. Personally, I think the original lore set forth by the admin, particularly in regard to interclan relations, is really interesting. That's the game I came here to play, and it's not the experience I'm having.
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Who's [What's] stopping you from doing this? |
Mostly a perceived lack of interest. That said, I'm trying my best to do what I can toward these ends IC.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:52 pm | |
| HAL wrote: |
| A little IC antagonism would do wonders for the game, in my eyes. |
All my +1's
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:40 pm | |
All I hear is people want PvP.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:54 pm | |
Also, this sorta might be weird to say coming from a twink, but runs shouldn't totally be about finding shit.
If that's all your coming for, go on out alone and get it yourself. Sorry, if that sounds like a dick thing to say, but honestly getting tired of people just scavving without an emote or without even considering if this would be a good situation to scav in.
Kudos to the people who don't. Also, sorry to OP for being a total zombie the run he was complaining about. There's no excuse for that
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:09 pm | |
I would say sorry, but I've gone from being a zombie near the start of the game to really being attentive and into it all throughout the hours long scav runs, day to day to day, and the truth is, it's not that I don't like OP!
I really, really, really like OP! I appreciate his own personal effort, but I find it -hard- to put the personal effort into something I find unenjoyable, like the 1000th scav run. It doesn't mean I don't want to RP with him, or that all group RP is bad, though smaller groups, more conflict, and constructive world building and culture promotion is more important to me than stuff acquisition and small talk.
I enjoy stuff to a small extent, I enjoy small talk to a greater extent, but not enough to keep me going out there when I can get both of those things elsewise.
Is that an affront to his personal effort? Yeah, I guess. Lokilol is right, if I'm not happy with the direction he's directing his personal effort, that doesn't give me the right to shut down during roleplay, but well--if that's how it is, I don't see how I'm obligated to keep coming, you know?
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